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Justin Carmien's avatar

Tom, your characterization of Western culture as a kind of historical civil war has real explanatory power. I would even go further and say that much of what we call the American culture war is an intra-European or intra-“White” conflict—an argument within a shared civilizational inheritance rather than between wholly distinct cultural/ethnic worlds.

But I’m not convinced that the Western tradition is exhausted by the monotheistic arc you describe. There is another current in the West—older, plural, and probably less doctrinal—which predates and survives beneath Christianity. I call it pagan, and it represents a different spiritual and metaphysical sensibility than the one consolidated through Roman, and later Christendom, imperial economy.

This is where I part ways with the Peterson-style move which assumes any move in the Western tradition must remain within the monotheistic framework. That strikes me as historically narrow and philosophically limiting. More importantly, it is politically and economically limiting - it exists within a liberal bias. We can look towards the German Romantics and Nietzsche to find that pagan spirit wanting to show itself (and yes, it was manifest in the nationalist movement in that time).

Of course, I admit that many are likely going to be reluctant to explore the alternative European inheritances. Neither the conservatives or the progressives here in the States have interest in doing that. But if we are genuinely seeking a vantage point “above” the present conflict, as you are doing, it might require acknowledging that the West contains a more primordial spirit than Christianity. In my reading, the suppression of the spirit which lived alongside agrarian economy has lead to disaster. Not everything can be solved through the lens that f the social conflict which is “Rome vs Judea”.

PigeonReligion's avatar

This is awesome and very helpful/clarifying, thankyou

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